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I’m back!

Alright, I’m back in the swing of things! Today I’ll update two photo sets!

The first one is of “Mo” this chick is awesome!!! She’s older, so she’s mature and very easy on the eyes heh. She will be at the next Colorado SuperShoot workshop

So far, she makes me almost miss not doing general model photography lol.

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I’m still with ya!

Hey all,

I’m still with ya. I know I need to update, I’m working on a few things. My girls have been home less than a week, so we’re all doing the close lovey dovey stuff, should wear off by saturday and I’ll be back to work.

Just a quick update:

I now see why I stopped doing tfcd shoots. Since starting my book idea, I started doing tfcd model shoots. In that time, I’ve had four “models” change their minds about modeling (one was really good at it and had potential) another two decide they don’t want to shoot nudes and want any artistic nude shots removed! One did so because she claimed her mommy found out (Her husband sent me an email asking me to take the one photo down, although you can’t even tell it’s her lol) and another model contacted me just the other day. The model who contacted me the other day, she’s a real sweetheart, so I took them down since I didn’t want anything to happen to her, but man does that put a damper on what I do!

“Models” don’t understand that a free shoot, isn’t really free! it costs the photographer money in ways they’ll never really apprecieate. Most models think a shoot is done once they leave, that’s when the real work begins.

My new years resolution? no more free shoots again! when I was charging, I never had this problem. Crazy that I only have this problem when doing free shoots, models that pay, show up on time and they know what they’re getting themselves into.

Who’s going to take the stand with me? When I did this a few years ago, two photogs took the agreement, both were back to tfcd shoots inside of a month. I kept it going and they were jealous lol.

NO MEANS NO!

MikeF - Man – trades can suck. I mentioned earlier how if I want to use the work in a project I envision I always pay the model even if it is only an honorarium. But even so, when certain events occur I’d still not use the images if requested. So, I’d be out the money and the images whereas in a trade I’d only be out the images.

Jay – face it. You’re a good guy and when events occur outside of the models control you’d probably not use the images anyway.

Life is too short and there are other models. Still, to be developing a book and have models pull out must really suck. All of that wasted time and effort BUT Mommy and Husband? I’d rather not get the phone calls even if I had a right to use the images.

Even with a specific ironclad contract, I’d still consider the models desires as would you. Now, if it had gone to press, weeellll that is why I have lawyers :) I’m not certain that in a trade, particularly unwritten, you’d have the same legal standing that you would if you paid the model and had a signed release. If you charge the model for shooting and then use the image for your own purposes the legal ramifications can be even more murky.

I guess the real answer for trades you want to use in a commercial project is to shoot enough models you have backup in case some later choose to drop out; then, you get to be a good guy without jeopardizing your own project.

Tough all around really.

admin - Totally agree! trades can suck. Every now and then, you can find a good trade.

If I pay a model, that’s that, I’ve paid the model. I can and will do whatever I want to do with the photos. On a trade, I’m more forgiving. Also, it comes down to if I use the images or not. Many trades, I don’t do anything with the images. There have been a few times that I’ve done trades and use the images.

When the customer is paying you, I’ve always felt they have the final say. Yes, they still sign a release and everything still, but if they’re paying, I want them to return as paying clients hah.

My philosophy regarding the trade is simple, no more!

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